Summoning

[Zain Winters]

Of course i want to mention this idea originated from Torke mentioning a few things.

well ill make this as basic an explanation as i can because i dont feel like copy pasting (like that makes sense...)

lets use shiva as an example, and lets say her stats were

str 5 wil 4 con 5
vit 4 int 5 dex 4

and her being an ice elemental (that may play a part in something, but cant say i know what at the moment) will of course give her ice magic at the cost of mp (wil+int)

the summoner of course will be mentally linked with the summon to ridiclous lengths, as is the summoner will be to focused to move\act\attack, or really anything, he will control the summon as if it was himself (1s will be equal transfer)

to summon the..summon the summoner must roll his con and gain half of the summon's con (rounding up so it would be 3 successes) to succesfully summon and control the summon (way to much use of that word..)

the summoner will also feel the beasts pain, and cause half of that damage to the summoner, (you know, beast gets hit by 6, summoner gets 3damage) if the beast needs to roll a system shock, so does the summoner, if failed the beast disappears and the summoner falls unconscious.

if the summoner fails in summoning the beast (fails the con roll) he looses 1 turn to recover from the failure. the recover turn for the summoner is not long enough for an enemy to execute an instant kill (as if the enemy was paralyze and walking up and stabbing him in the face) the summoner may attempt to dodge, but his eva will be reduced by one for the attempt.

as the beast is summoned, depending on the amount of success's for the con roll is how long the beast will stay (say you get 4, thus shiva will stay for 4 turns, if you get 3, then 3) if the beast is knocked out you must give it 1 hour per health before you can resummon it (so if shiva was killed, in 8 hours you would be able to resummon her with full health)

how are the beasts obtained? what beasts are there? are the humans the race that will obtain this power? are eidolons a candidate for this power aswell? well all those questions i was hoping to be somewhat answered by you guys, to our more experience kalarsys people (torke, lurid, DC) i was considering linking them to the elemental towers of Spyre (the planet with Revorlet, a possible name for the planet, i like it, and came from DC)

[Torke]

A) as soon as i seen this topic i knew it had to deal with me in some way XD
2) i was hoping Grottar could have summoning because they are hella weak and they need sumthing other than just support magic
D) you seem to have a pretty base plan there... would like to try it out sometime to see how it would work. probably would have to tweak it... dam tweaking

[Zain Winters]

hey! the Grottar's! thats a great idea, they could use that pretty well prolly, and yeah wed need some major tweaking..prolly..-.-' and also some kinda background on what the monsters are, where and how there obtained, but id really like to use the elemental towers in a way that there obtained, i dunno, just seems...you know...related..

[Torke]

well what we talked about before (and by we i mean me and somebody else who i cant remember who it was) was that the animals or creatures that the grottar could summon were like creatures from mars that couldnt live there anymore until mars repaired itself so the grottar brought them to earth or whatever planet they landed on and took care of them underground and to keep the elemental towers lets say if a group of grottar has an underground community close to whatever element tower the creatures could gain abilities and disabilities from that... and ofcourse if the grottar arent near an elemental tower than the creatures dont gain any special abilities/disabilties


feel free to add to that

[Zain Winters]

*facepalm* oh yeah i do remeber that! but thats specifically grottar style *Thinks* we could keep that with the grottar and because there just animals the grottar's could still fight? maybe i should make this a human ability..then again..*still thinking* ah we need more input ;.;

[Lurid Sorcerer]

*plugs in*

Hey. Sorry I haven't really replied to this yet. We can't really do any tweaking until we get it into the game and start playing with it. Maybe this weekend we can throw something together?

[Zain Winters]

well i ment more of looking for more idea's. things to add on, monsters, something? i know we cant do tweaking till then but you know

[Child of Flame]

I know you wanted the original Kalarsys members to answer this, but too bad I have some ideas.

Perhaps to gain some monsters to summon, you would fight them to prove your worth...(you know, with the help of your party or with your weaker monsters)

Perhaps you could impress them by doing other things. For example, a succubus may want her summoner to please her as she wants before accepting to be his (her?) summoned beast. Or as another example, you protect the beast in question from danger, which would in turn make the beast indebted to you.

I think there would be some creatures that would be naturally summoned by eidolons, mostly having to do with elements, such as a golem or a water nymph.

[Zain Winters]

i dont think i said anything about the original four members for the thing but! anywho thats are great examples! now hear out after a few hours of diablo 2 discussing me and Lurid have come up with what may be the final product!

(Edit: Oh yeah i guess i did kinda say that, mostly said it because they have experiance the Spyre planet more then anyone, although jac youve ben in the elemental BS more then DC so i guess i shoulda said "HEY TORKE AND LURID TELL ME STUFF!" anywho..)

Alright, at each elemental alter in the world of Spyre (is that what i decided to call it?) there will be a ceremony trial that the summoner will go threw which will consist of testing the knowledge of the element the summoner is going for. if the summoner fails, he\she dies no questions, no 2nd chances, no nothing, depending on his\her performance he will get points (havent considered a real name for the points yet) with these points the summoner can then buy things for the summon, parts, spells, experiance.

Each summoner can only have 1 summon (this is the human summoning remeber) that summon is created by the summoner, looks, everything, the summon can have claws fangs, wings, whatever (parts are bought by points, just as spells, and exp can be traded for points, and vice versa) for gaining the summon into you, you carry on some of its traits, lets use ice as our example once more, heat will effect your stats performance and fire damage will be drastic.

the summon will also have its own seperate sheet, and stats (That are customizable as if it was a human, 2 2 2, 3 1 2, 1 2 3, you know) and the summoner and summon share exp (if you get a total of 20, 10 goes to each) the summoner can share his xp with the summon BUT NOT VICE VERSA (to stop the summoner from becomeing above the summon makeing the summon useless)

to summon the beast you must find the average of the summons stats halved rounded up *looks up at shiva* so 3, with your con you must get at least 3 successfully summon shiva, and depending on how many successes you get, in this case 3, shiva will be out for 3 turns and the summoner in mobile as mentioned before.

the summon may NOT use advantage and disadvantages, the trial performance will also give you a bonus, for passing you will get an auto 5 points, and if you do better you will get 10, and if you do 100% 15 points (yeah right..) but! if you do not meet even adequate you will die, no 2nd tries and yes im pushing to keep that a permanent rule so that this is not widely abused by npcs, the actual trial will be talespinner decided, i may make a few as tutorial and all.

now for the point system, lets say you pass the trial 100%! your awarded 15points!, so for these points the chart is going to be like this, it takes 10exp=1 point, 1part= 5 points and 3 points to boost it to the next level, supportive spell = 5 points (stat boosting, or healing, magic follows Eidolons Overt style), attack spell = 7 points, (it follows Lucid, and depending on the element has a chance to cause a status effect, ice=freeze, fire=burn, electric=paralyze, etc etc)

annd..i believe thats all that needs to be explained outside story wise

also, no disadvantes can be taken that would relate to the weakness of the elemental stuff

[Eow]

Maybe...since one summon seems a little limited..Let them have an option of a really strong monster, or weaker/medium strong multiple monsters?

I mean, if you make a huge demon with wings and fangs and claws with big powers...then no, no other summon...I suppose that could factor in the points and/or experience?

*shrugs*

[Zain Winters]

2 wouldnt be a bad idea accually...multiple i dunno about but 2 i kinda like that..might have to split exp 3 way or maybe just give all 3 half of what 1 person would normally get...hm..*thinks about it while i go to work*


edit, maybee..not..2 would split it up alittle to much, still a good idea for future use though, never know

[Lurid Sorcerer]

I thought of that same thing: splitting it every which way would keep the character behind in leveling up. Splitting two ways is bad enough!

One thing I thought of (and Zain may have already sort of smacked down, but I don't remember) was that there would be different types of summons.

For instance, it was said (by someone who evidently doesn't like my forum anymore ;-( ) that there should be some sort of summon that could act as armour for the summoner. Maybe this isn't what they said, but that's how I interpreted it and it doesn't sound that bad.

More to the point, there could be the critters that we have now, and also some sort of living armour that can be summoned. Of course, you only get one. :-p But I think it would add variety. Now, if we could only think of one more type of summon to balance things out... (multiples of 3 and 6 work great in the world of Kalarsys.)

[Zain Winters]

*smacks it down alittle harder* now if you do come up with a third one then ill consider it, even though the armor thing seems to kinda conflict with how the summoner cant move, then with the armor the summoner controlling himself and the armor?, but 3 types? hm..so..we could do humans, animals, and armor..? i mean well we know how the human thing is working, and the animals would be really no diffrent..maybe slightly but not by much..?..or class humans and animals on there own?