Eidolon Book, and How You Can Help

[Lurid Sorcerer]

In a recent discussion with good old ZW, the following conversation came about:

(4:23:12 AM) Lurid: You know what sucks worst about eidolons?
(4:24:09 AM) Zain Winters:
(4:24:24 AM) Lurid: All that attack potential and no one to attack with it.
(4:24:44 AM) Zain Winters: yuuuuup..
(4:26:04 AM) Lurid: I was thinking...maybe we could have corrupted animals that rage out against humans, attacking humans and eidolons and the eidolons have to fight against them. Or...alternatively, maybe a sort of counter-eidolon, that hates humans as eidolons do, but go about it a different way. *cough*Budden's race*cough*
(4:26:49 AM) Zain Winters: yuuuuuup buddens race could be the whole answer, some animals favor there race and vice versa?
(4:27:14 AM) Lurid: Indeed. <.< >.> Someone should write this down or something. *opens Metapad*
(4:29:55 AM) Lurid: How do you think B-udden's race should start?
(4:32:13 AM) Zain Winters: i really really belive there origion should start on mars and say they were the dominant race on mars then eventually something happens makeing mars unhinabitable and mars tells them to retreat to earth while it trys to refix itsself something to that effect
(4:34:30 AM) Lurid: Maybe during the time after they split from humans but before they gain power from the earth, they grow tired of waiting for the earth and seek power from the other planets. That way, their powers don't come from just Mars, but then, why would the other planets give a shit about them? Hmm, maybe yours is better.
(4:36:16 AM) Zain Winters: yeeah, without them the planet doesnt have souls to recycle and when they die there souls are sent to mars etc etc and all that and with them being so far away they have limited spells with mars being so damaged and all and mars doesnt give to shits what they do to the earth aslong as there race survives till mars is fixed or something like that
(4:36:54 AM) Lurid: Yeah, motives are the hardest part to figure out most of the time, and that takes care of them.
(4:37:26 AM) Zain Winters: *does victory dance* plus the whole stay secret to other races would be widely punched into with these guys though
(4:38:30 AM) Lurid: What do you mean? A sort of war between eidolons defending their Earth and these Martians all unseen by human eyes?
(4:39:04 AM) Zain Winters: word, eidolons would be wanting them dead for one, humans would want control over them for there own thing s(like usual) and nightlys..just want some fucking food!!

Then we decided it would be a great idea to talk about this a bit more...but how do we get with the Krew? Why, on the message board of course!! Everyone, please grab a keyboard and a thinking cap. As I write the new eidolon book I'll want input about how this game-changing addition should be shaped.

We need to decide a LOT of details about how eidolons should be played and used, and we need input.
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Okay, let's discuss some things about the book, starting with:

1.) What's your take on the Martian race? We need a name, some abilities, their opinions on humans and eidolons, what kind of creatures and technology they would bring with them, etc.

2.) What are the creatures that the eidolons would battle against? Corrupted earthling creatures, affected by Mars or something else? Something else?

3.) Anything that you'd like to see changed in the eidolon book?

4.) Should eidolon be capitalized? Should earth be? What about the old British spellings?

[Zain Winters]

Well one thing for sure they accually shouldnt be an enemy of humans unless there discovered to what they really are by a human, we may wanna make an entirely new magic set for them outside of the eidolons to make them more unique and dum down there powers or magic selection, like eidolons get 4 diffrent types, while uh..martian dudes only get 2 types of magic cause i mean just supportive spells makes them very restrictive although the ability to use weps makes them very versitle melee wise, so why the hell not bust out some minor attack spells too, (of course putting them down compared to eidolons with level and stat caps) also i belive they should bring martian creatures with them to inhabit as for well what i said above if we use that origin then the mars would need as much liveing things as possible (heh noahs ark style) they should prolly consist of diffrent blood considering there from a different planet and all, just a couple of things to consider there but they prolly should have a set of animals they brought with them or something to that effect, and a while diffrent set of magic just to give them a more unique feeling but thats just me, i dont think earth or eidolon should be capitalized, eidolon book isnt up so i cant opinon, i belive they would prolly only bring some type of flying machine to get from mars to earth, and they wouldnt have a beef with eidolons but its certain that the eidolons would hate them the same way they hate humans for obvious reasons, british spellings..?...i dunno what that really is accually or maybe i do and just dont know i do, oh oh and they should have a machine that sends the bodys of the dead...martian..guys soul to the planet mars just..a throw out there with that one but you know, also with the flying machines and them not being tested (my opinon on this) they would have ben completly destroyed on there landing of earth and only the blue prints left possibly or no blueprints at all just to you know not have flying machine things...thats talespinner though i think anyways, thats..what i got off the top of my head


and now that i relized the eidolon book is up i can say all i think we need to do is finish the magic set! and go from there

[Lurid Sorcerer]

For the new race:

We can worry about the name later. We need to focus on what they can do for now. Certainly, they should have some kind of magic. It's been said before, so I'll say it again here: They should have magic, but due to the distance from it's source (Mars), it should be significantly weaker. Also, since their planet doesn't care about what happens to Earth, they can use/abuse whatever is on Earth, not limited to resources and people, meaning swords, guns, the internet, cars, and whatever are within their use.

Since they didn't develop on Earth...uh, what do they look like? Hopefully, not like this. Maybe we should not make them come from Mars, but make two planets similar to Earth and use them in our eidolon world. This way we don't have to do ridiculous research or worry about conflicting with real-world facts. Plus, we could also make them generic and allow/force the Tale Spinner to come up with them.

2.) Hmm, did the Martians bring animals with them, or did they do something to the life of Earth, either on accident or on purpose? Maybe they were transfered to Earth through the power of Mars, and animals at or near the points of landing were affected by this power.

3.) I'd like to write more of the stuff we have on paper into it. ^_^

4.) The word human isn't capitalized, is it? If the earth we're talking about is named Earth, then yes. And since this seems to be the case with where we're going with our new race, perhaps it should be. But if we're making our own solar system or keeping generic, then no.

I think they should keep the same magic set, with a couple of types removed perhaps, and limit it to only getting up to level 3 instead of 5.

[Child of Flame]

Definitely should remove some types of magic, yes... it's not like there's a lot of water up in Mars to control, or ...any elemental things for that reason. If we are indeed molding Mars or any other planet with the Mars we know (or, any other planet).

So is this the nightling class or whatever race Budden had? Or is this something new? In either case, I suppose that like most science fiction, these creatures are going to be anthropomorphic (shaped like a human- kinda like Fox and Falco and Wolf...) in some way.

To make it consistent, I don't think the races or any new races we may think of in the future should be capitalized.

They must've had some sort of animals to feed upon on Mars...unless they're some sort of cannibals. That'd make for an interesting and blatant difference between the eidolons and the new race- one barely reproduces to survive, and the other reproduces like flies in order to have a food source?

So my biggest question is if we're building on the nightlings class or if we're making an entirely new class altogether.

[Eow]

So..they're from Mars?
I mean there's dust storms, extreme cold, and tornadoes, atmosphere wise...They'd have to have really strong skin, or the intelligence to make something to wear that's capable of keeping them safe from those things...Of course, most magic takes a lot of brain power?

And element-wise? Wind could be a powerful one, and/or Water, since those are the main elements on Mars (sorta-kinda?). Things like Electricity, Fire, Earth(maybe?) would be a lot weaker. >.>

With what Child of Flame was talking about their eating habits - There's always been these articles on 'life on mars?!' or 'possible organism's found on mars!'...I mean, couldn't we say that there's a rare amount of evolved animals/plants for them to hunt? If we can have these Alien-things on Mars, why not make some other animals or plants?

As for their view on Humans....Well, they see this nice, habitable planet being corrupted by idiots. If I was an alien from such a harsh planet as Mars, watching these humans wasting this precious place, i'd be a little ticked off/confused. They could be a bit prideful towards them also? I mean like 'hah we can live on Mars, we can SURELY survive here'..

Also on a Sciencey-Fiction note.. Their air is much different from ours. I'd think they'd need a type of machine to help them get used to the atmosphere..I don't think even 1% of Mars' atmosphere is Oxygen, right? And Carbon Dioxide is the main part in Mars atmosphere..So..You see how that'd mess with a body, at least for a time? Or, to make it more Fantasy, use a magical spell to do the same thing as the machine would?

>.< Hope I wasn't too 'out there' haha..

[Lurid Sorcerer]

Actually, it pushes more towards my idea that an alternate universe should be created. I think there should be two planets similar to Earth, one starts dying and sends its people over. That way we avoid a lot of the complexities of how they'd survive there considering the vast differences between that planet and our own. Any thoughts?

[Zain Winters]

well...if the earth that your thinkin of the 2nd one is dieing how is it going to give its powers to the people? with the mars idea its repairing itself although could be doing the same with your earth idea but wouldnt they wind up with the same spell set as eidolons if they lived in a place just like earth? and the magic set is why i think it should be a planet alot different then earth, to broden the magic set and really put in some unique spells ideas and other things, something that could be 100% kalarsys exclusive in a way (not saying all of our stuff isnt original just that most of our stuff is in one way or another based off of another thing

[Torke]

ok im just goin to throw this one out there... ima HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE sci-fi nerd, buff, whatever you wanna call it. my favorite author is issac asimov for christ sake...

ok check this out...

-in robotic duck voice- THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO!!!

a race almost identical to humans overpopulated their home world forcing them to either
a) die
or b) get alot of people off the planet and fast
turns out both happened.
anyways, only a half a million people got off the planet and started searching for a new one in this big convoy of ships. ok now something goes wrong and they crash land on mars creating a huge crater oh ya and killing a couple hundred thousand people... anyways.
strange and dangerous animals roam mars, so instead of taking a risk the people burrow underground and over time create a huge catacomb of towns and villages.
but by burrowing underground in mars they slowly started killing it. the animals and the outside world rapidly diminished, turning into nothing more than dust. animals became cannibals and started eating each other. smarter animals however grouped together and found their way into the catacombs and wasted no time devouring the people.
the people learned how to defend themselves and fast.
Even though they were defending themselves from the animals these people were still dieing, and almost as fast as the animals were on the outside world.
Mars knew right then what to do, mars was going to die, because of those people, because they landed there, and whether or not they did it on purpose or not mars didnt care.
But then again... if Mars could get these people to take care of the few remaining animals for a couple hundred years, then they could come back. Mars then went to village in a person like form, and approached "the village elder." Mars talked to him about what was happening and struck a deal with the old man.
The deal was "take care of my animals so that they can one day return to the land that you ruined, and i will grant you powers that will help you survive on this other planet known as Earth, but betray me and harm my animals and i will slay each and every one of you worthless (insert whatever their race name is here).
the village elder knew he had no choice but to agree, so he did.
Soon after Mars grouped what was left of the animals and the people inside what came to be known as a "meteoroid" and with the last of Mars' strength launched it at planet earth.
After the meteor landed on earth the people and animals worked together to make a small catacomb where they can live. however earth was not to happy about this and saw what happened to mars so earth told the eidolons to go kick some "Grottar" ass
And thus eidolons and grottar quickly became mortal enemies.

ok some notes. i kinda made up grottar but basically its derived from the word grotto which means deep underground cavern... i think and since these people keep diggin caves i figured it be a good name for them.
so theres their background story... what do you guys think. it only took me an hour to type it all down lol

[Zain Winters]

....*rereads torkes post a few times*...sounds more then good to me, explains the animals, explains where they live, how they got there powers, pretty much everything, and a nice entrance of them liveing underground which hides them really well, and a reason why eidolons hate them and animals that the eidolons wont like and will fight the eidolons..so..*thumbs up* i nominate torke's story thing!

[Torke]

oh ya and while im at it and reading the other posts here.

the powers that mars give to them can include surviving on another planet regardless the type of air needed to breathe and what not.

as for new powers how about like i was thinking before the support type and maybe being able to morph earths animals into something demonic. the best example that everyone can relate to.. i think.. is think pso monsters. think pre ultimate mode and ultimate mode. the monsters remain the same yet change at the same time.. ok im out.

apparently im just kidding about bein out, i dont think that the grottar, if thats what we will call them, will have beef with humans.. but they probably will want to keep secret because.. well just because. i mean people like creatures that look like people but are pale as a vampire and have powers.. thats gonna create some kind of interest with people. which means maybe grottar should have concealment power also

and apparently i use the word gonna so much that firefox actually recognizes it as a real word

[Zain Winters]

*resays what i said above*

[Torke]

while further discussing this topic with "good ol' ZW" we thought of the 4 types of magic that they can use.
the first two are support magic and enchant magic
support can raise your stats and lower your opponents, not at the same time lol =P lengths of support will depend on how much you mp you dump into it. and the level of the magic. also im thinking the user should be able to cast support magic on multiple allies or enemies. and thats also depending on the amount of mp used.
enchant can do well.. just that. enchant weapons, armor, and items. enchant them to do what you want them to do, what you can enchant them to do will depend on your level and the talespinners ruling. lengths of enchant will depend on how much mp you dumped into it. and on your level in that type of magic.

the other two types of magic are concealment and summoning
summon the animals that they brought with them
we already have stuff on summoning and concealment so i wont really describe them much
also i think that summoning and concealment should not be as effective as supportive magic and enchment. i dunno what do you guys think

[Child of Flame]

There's also the idea that being so far away from Mars that some of this magic would be fairly weak in comparison to that of the eidolons. And then you say stuff about this human like race being pale and could possibly be mistaken for vampires, and it makes me think they are physically weak as well.

Or, are they physically strong due to their having to fend off Mars animals (before the deal that Mars made with everyone)? And maybe like Eow was saying, they may not look so pale anymore if they were sent to Mars- thousands of years in a different atmosphere might have mutated them?

Oh well. I'm liking it so far; as Zain said, it's way better than what we were trying to come up with. I might've said something about the strange similarities that the eidolons and the grottars what with their own personal Mother Earth coming up to them and blessing them with powers. But in this sense, the grottars literally are like an anti-eidolon. And, I like the name grottar, 'cause as you said, it makes sense with their habits of burrowing underground.

What if the grottars started burrowing underneath cities? I know for the most part, most of Kalarsys' stories take place in the Dark Ages, but in a futuristic setting, that could spell bad news for humans, since the grottars may upset the foundations. I dunno. I can see humans being neutral towards them, but I can also see the competition to dominate every animal species, including ones that are not of this world.

I dunno. But it is good! Yaaay!

[Zain Winters]

and even in the dark ages they could still do that, call it another spell they have, something to do with the earth that gives them supreme digging abilitys! or..something ..like that..

[Torke]

well i know at zains house we werent sure if it was going to be 3 in body 2 in mind and 1 in skill or if it was going to be 2 in body 3 in mind and 1 in skill so i kinda left that open.
personally i think it should be 321 cause...
1) They had to fight Mars' animals to survive im thinkin the weak died and the strong lived.
2)They are pretty far away from Mars on Earth, plus Mars is recovering so im thinkin their powers should be limited/ weakened.
hmm and some other ideas are
1)i think they should be pale cause they live underground but they dont have to be... maybe all of them are pale, unless they have allure. i dunno.
2)maybe just maybe when people think of vampires they actually mean grottar. they just dont know it. an example would be "Man!! i seen a vamp out in the sunlight it was creepy!" ofcourse they dont have to be pale so then this wouldnt happen.
3)i think it should be up to the ts whether or not the grottar are hostile vs humans. although i defiantly think that grottar and eidolons should not get along. at all.